I was born on October 31st 1985 A.D.
I'm a Caucasian male who lives in Racine Wisconsin.
I'm a Christian, I take the Bible literally, I'm a 6 Day Young Earth Creationist. I don't Identify myself with any Denomination, the Churches I sometimes go to are Independent Baptist, but I'm a Member of none, I was raised Catholic but I'm not anymore. I believe Salvation is by Faith Alone, and I don't believe you can lose your Salvation. I'm definitely not a Calvinist or an Arminian.
I do not believe Homosexuality is a Sin, I've studied all the Bible verses cited as claiming that, and their only condemning certain Pagan practices. Even Pre-Marital sex all together I do not believe is as condemned as people assume.
My Political views are also complicated to explain, I voted for Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin in 2008. I'm liberation on about 95% of Issues, I despise both major Parties, I consider both the Libertarian and Constitution parties, but their flawed too.
I love reading books, including Comic Books. I like Video Games but mostly Nintendo. I consider The Dark Knight the greatest movie ever made.
I desire to be a writer. I have many kinds stories I want to write. From Young Adult Romance, to stories inspired by French Pulp Fiction and Comic Books and Anime, to Historical Epics, to Steam Punk SciFi/Fantasy. And plenty that merge some or all of those.
My beliefs have an effect on my writing. But I try very hard not come off a preachy, and I do want people who disagree with me to still find the stories entertaining and the characters likeable (or Love to Hate-able for the Villains).
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QUOTE And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men , and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
QUOTE And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Lu 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
QUOTE Mt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Lu 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am He; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
QUOTE Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted,
Lu 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you,
QUOTE Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Lu 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains
QUOTE Lu 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
QUOTE And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, saying. “If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, and shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”
QUOTE And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him. But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
QUOTE Mr 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am He; and shall deceive many. And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
QUOTE Mr 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
please do not twist my words. hanna is drinking BECAUSE OF HER PROBLEMS. if hanna was drinking in moderation, i would not be so concerned. maya was not addicted to weed in fact it’s impossible to be physically addicted to it and it’s one of the most un harmful drugs and dont tell me it’s a gateway drug cause if you’re dumb enough to do cocaine you are gonna do it no matter what you smoke first. cigarettes are more harmful to your health as is drinking if it is not done in moderation, and right now hanna has no moderation and that is dangerous.
QUOTE But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
QUOTERevelation 11:10 “And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. “
On The Rapture I’ve mostly settled into a Mid-Trib position. But your typical Mid-Trib believer says that the “Great Tribulation” refers only to the second half of the 70th Week (and so from their POV their Pre-Trib) and is basically synonymous with The Wrath/Day of The Lord. I’m different, I view the term “Great Tribulation” as characteristic of the entire 70th Week.
The Pre-Wrath position also believes both “Great Tribulation” and “Wrath” are only the last 3 and half years. But they divide it up, with the Rapture being were the split is.
Chris White, who’s Pre-Wrath, makes an amusing mistake, he says the term “Great Tribulation” occurs only twice in The Bible, in Matthew 24, and Revelation 7. There is in fact another usage of the term I shall discus.
The word “Tribulation” alone occurs a lot, and is a term that most serious students of The Bible realize is synonymous with persecution, and is not at all limited only to a specific End Times time period. It is the term “Great Tribulation” that we tend to insist on making more specific, to some it refers to the entire 70th week, to some only the first half. And as I pointed out above some view it variantly as the second half or part of it. Some Pre-Tribbers would also say the entire 70th week is Tribulation but only the second half the “Great Tribulation”.
The usage of the term that gets overlooked is in Revelation 2:22, where it’s part of the message to the Church at Thyatira. “Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.”
Typically people insist this should still be viewed as strictly end times because of the typological applications that clearly make Thyatira characteristic of The Catholic Church, and perhaps also other Paganized “Christian” religions, like the Orhtodox, or Anglicans, or Mormons, ect. And I agree with those typological views, but it still must also apply to the original immediate context, or else the type tells us nothing. I think this was first fulfilled by the Christian persecutions that broke out in Asia Minor early in the reign of Hadrian.
And even looking at the type, it doesn’t fit the way many Protestants want to see the Catholic Church’s role in the Tribulation period. If it applies to the Vatican’s End Times role then they will be victims of The Beast’s persecution as much as any other Christians. Of course Revelation 17 does say he Beast will turn on Mystery Babylon. I don’t view Mystery Babylon as the Catholic Church alone however, but as all Pagan religion.
One could say this has happened to the Catholic Church via Henry VIII’s persecutions, or the massive Christian Persecution during the French Revolution, which was mostly against Catholics because the Protestant Reformation never much ground in France. But those Atheists and Deists certainly hated other Christian sects just as much.
The point is, when we take this verse seriously the term “Great Tribulation” is no longer just one time period.
Matthew 24:21 is the main basis for insisting that the term applies specifically to the second half “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." the timing of this verse being what’s happening in the wake of the Abomination of Desolation.
First off, I feel the wording can indeed work as saying we were already in Great Tribulation, but now it’s escalating to it’s most severe phase. Indeed Jesus had clearly already described a massive worldwide persecution before he reached the Abomination of Desolation. The typical Pre-Wrath position seems to be that he describes the persecution then looks back to describe how it began. But it’s funny because there are other places were their main objection to other views is their not interpreting the Olivte chronologically. I make no claim that the Olivte Discourse is strictly chronological, but as I’ve explained elsewhere Revelation is the key to how to unlock the Chronology of other Bible passages that summarize the End Times.
Revelation 7:14 “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
The Pre-Wrath position is that Matthew 24 tells us when “Great Tribulation” is, so we must be in the second half of the 70th week already here. To me it’s absurd to think Revelation has reached the midway point of the 70th week any sooner then the 7th Trumpet in Revelation 11. I’ve explained why elsewhere.
"Great Tribulation" is a term describing severe persecution. I view there as being two great persecutions coming.
1. A persecution of The Church during the first half, which will have a corresponding “Falling away” Paul describes in 2 Thessalonians 2, and clearly placed before the unveiling of the Man of Sin.
2. A massive attempted Genocide of Israel, that begins as soon as the Abomination of Desolation happens which is why Jesus warned Israel to flee immediately (see my Olivite Discourse study). Revelation 12 likewise describes God as having a hiding place for her in the wilderness. Isaiah 63 hints at that place being in Edom. Petra is a popular theory.
Now the persecution of Israel we know for certain has The Beast and The False Prophet (The Antichrist) as the force behind it. The Church’s persecution earlier may or may not be also, it isn’t clear. The original Antichrist heresy may be what we’re being persecuted for not accepting or maybe not. I’ve explained in other threads why I feel there may be decoy Antichrists during the first half of the 70th week.
But that’s besides the point, the point is there will be a major worldwide persecution of Christians BEFORE the Abomination of Desolation happens. The Pre-Wrath people think their the ones most prepared for the coming persecution, but the ones I’ve studied at least (like Chris White) are clear that it doesn’t happen till after the unveiling of the Man of Sin, and that the first half of the 70th week will be a seemingly good time for all Judeo-Christians. So to me their unprepared just as much as people thinking we’ll be taken out first, because they think they’ll be safe so long the Abomination of Desolation hasn’t happened yet.
So that’s why to me “Great Tribulation” characterizes the entire 70th week. But there is no single individual “The Great Tribulation”, that three word phrase is never in The Bible.
Now that I’ve argued against both Pre-Trib and Post-Trib, I want to get into things that are disputed within the Mid-Trib/Pre-Wrath camp.
One part is debating when in the sequence of Judgments (Seals, Trumpets, Bowls) we reach the midway point.
I know Revelation isn’t purely chronological, certain single statements span an entire half of the 70th week. But there is a basic chronology to it that clearly places the mid way point between the Trumpets and Bowls. This is a problem for some people though, who have tried to argue that we’re at the halfway point at the Sixth Seal, or that we’re already at the end of the 70th week when the 7th Trumpet sounds, but those argument always seem forced.
In Revelation 8 there is no gap between the Seals and the Trumpets, the Trumpets and the Censer both come from the 7th Seal. But between the 7th Trumpet and the Bowls is the entire narrative of Revelation 12, 13 and 14.
I think it’s telling that in Revelation 11 the 7th Trumpet is preceded by 2 reference to 3 and a half years that clearly correlate to the first half of the 70th week (i know some see those as the second half already, but they describe conditions that can only apply pre Abomination of Desolation) and then in 12 and 13 is followed by 3 references to a 3 and a half years period that are clearly the second half.
Now for the matter of at what point are we already under “God’s Wrath”. Many both Pre-Tribbers, and certain Mid-Trib/Pre-Wrath supporters view us as already in Wrath at the Sixth Seal, and refer to the Trumpets as God’s Wrath. For the latter this is why they need to force the mid-way point sooner, for the former they consider it reason to view Tribulation and Wrath as indistinguishable and rending the Pre-Wrath distinction a mute point.
The account of the Sixth Seal is the only time the word Wrath occurs before the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet. And the problem is you can’t build Doctrine on dialogue uttered by fallible human beings who aren’t anointed Prophets of God.
That hermeneutic is of course lost on many people, there are teachers out there building doctrine on the things Job’s idiot friends said, or justifying referring to Joseph as Yeshua’s father because Mary did in Luke 2 when Yeshua was 12. The Bible is an infallible Book, but it still records humans saying very wrong things.
So I won’t even get into any textual debate about if “is come” should be “is coming” or whatever else. The Sixth Seal happens to be one of the most recognizable passages of Revelation, my earliest memory of hearing Revelation quoted back when I was a kid was in the movie Ghost Busters when Ray recounts the Sixth Seal (He got the chapter it’s in wrong), Dan has a good voice for quoting Scripture. For people who don’t study Eschatology it’s probably a more unmistakable event then even the Abomination of Desolation.
So when it happens the world will think the Lamb’s Wrath has come already, but a further reading of Revelation shows that that is nothing compared to the Wrath. And I don’t believe it’s describing an average local earthquake, but a global one. But it’s interesting that it’s been recording in some local earthquakes where there were also volcanic eruptions, the Sun wen black and the Moon looked blood red as if it was a Lunar Eclipse. So because of that I consider the Blood Moon theory probably a distraction, but I will still be paying attention to them.
The Sixth Seal is indeed an unmistakeable parallel to the Cosmic Signs refereed to in Joel and Matthew 24 and elsewhere. But it’s only the beginning of those Signs, they continue through the 7th Seal and the Trumpets. Only the Bowls in Revelation 15&16 are actually defined as being God’s Wrath poured out on the world. Trumpets are warnings and declarations Biblically, they precede Judgment.
The multitude of Saints seen in Heaven in Revelation 7 are frequently interpreted to be already Resurrected/Raptured, I think that argument is weak. They are in a different state then they where after the Fifth Seal was opened, but that could mean any number of things. Perry Stone specifically says the Bema Judgment must have already happened, many would need to have Crown to absolutely prove that point. Basically it’s having their Robes people think prove being already Resurrected, the washed Robes represent that their Sins are removed, that is all.
A debate exists over whether or not the “Last Trump” that signals the Rapture in Thessalonians, and Corinthians and Matthew 24 is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11 or the Last Trumpet sounded on the Feast of Trumpets.
Chris White argues it’s neither and that we should look at the Silver Trumpets of Numbers 10. It is true that the Biblical Hebrew text does not explicitly link Trumpets to the First of Tishri feast in Levitcus 23:24, that’s an assumption we make based on Trumpets being added in translation, and extra Biblical traditions about that day. Chris White however seems to assume the Trumpets affiliated with the First of Tishri are the Ram’s Horns. But a book I have on Hebrew customs (by Ethan Allen) says it was the Silver Trumpets sounded on that day.
Numbers 10:10 does say the Silver Trumpets are to be sounded “Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months”. Now “solemn days” in the Hebrew texts refers to the “appointed times’ or High Holy Days, meaning all of them outlined in Leviticus 23. And the beginning of each month would also include the First of Tishri.
The single word translated “blowing of trumpets” in Leviticus 23:24 is T@ruw`ah (ter-oo-aw’); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 8643. Is use din Numbers 10:5&6 where it is translated “Alarm”.
"When ye blow an alarm, then the camps that lie on the east parts shall go forward.
When ye blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey: they shall blow an alarm for their journeys.”
In verse 7 it’s a different word translated alarm, but one that is probably the root of the final syllable of Taruwah.
At any rate I’d agree we can’t build solid doctrine on any extra Biblical assumptions about Rosh Hoshana. But this one may have more of a Biblical basis then he realized. The First of Tishri is the one day there is double the reason to sound those Trumpets. And the only thing we are told about it in Leviticus is a key word also used in Numbers 10 about blowing Trumpets.
I don’t think we should distinguish between the Rams Horns and Silver Trumpets in terms of how they may symbolically point to the Heavenly Trumpets, whether it’s the verses indisputably about The Rapture or the Seven Trumpets in Revelation. Earthly Trumpets needed to be made from separate materials for Earthly reasons, but the Heavenly Trumpets are probably not really made from any Earthly substance at all. Silver is Levitcully a symbol of Redemption, and Ram’s Horns are taken from Sacrificial offerings, so symbolically both point to Jesus as out Sin Offering, who’s voice is sometimes described as “like a Trumpet”.
Hosea 5:8 Poetically uses both words for Trumpet as if their synonyms. But the KJV renders one of them Cornet to avoid sounding redundant.
I believe that the references to the Trumpets in Revelation are meant to draw on all the earlier Trumpet themes of Scripture. Both the Silver and the Rams Horns. Because I view Revelation as explaining the rest of Scripture, and unveiling all what where before mysteries. Meaning if the Trumpet that singles the Rapture isn’t in Revelation, then Revelation has arguably failed to serve part of it’s purpose.
Both Post-Tribbers and Mid-Trib/Pre-Wrath supporters love to refute the Pre-Trib argument that Matthew 24 isn’t referring to the same coming/gathering as Paul by pointing out all the parallels between that account and Paul’s from Thessalonians and Corinthians. There are at least 20. But what many either miss or ignore is that a number of those same parallels apply to the Seventh Trumpet in Revelation 11.
We have a Trumpet sounding followed by great voices in Heaven. The use of the word “Archangel” in Corinthians is a different from then when Jude uses it of Michael. It ends with an “n” making it technically plural in Greek.
We have this time not fallible humans but the Four Cherubim declaring God’s Wrath is come.
We have talk about it now being the “Time of the Dead” and time to judge and reward the saints. That sounds like the Bema Seat Judgment to me.
I also think “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament” correlates to “The sign of the Son of Man” being seen in the Heavens. One can argue the Ark of the New Testament is the Cross on which The Lamb’s Blood was shed for our Sins.
There is lighting and another Earthquake.
I also think you could argue that after the symbolic recap of history in Revelation 12 and 13, that 14 returns to chronologically where we left off.
The 144 Thousand are seen on Mt. Zion, and it sounds to me like their in their Resurrected state, with talk of being “Redeemed from the Earth” and being the “First Fruits”. I do not allegorize the 144 Thousand, their a specific group of believers, I don’t think they represent the Church. But I do think their part of the Church and possibly Resurrected already here. A better argument certainly then the weak one that the Multitude in Chapter 7 are Resurrected already.
And latter we have “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man” in verse 14. And with it Harvest imagery.
And further reading shows the pouring out of God’s Wrath is still only about to happen.
And then supplemental to what follows the 7th Trumpet, is what proceeds it. It seems to immediately follow the Resurrection and Rapture of the Two Witnesses. Again, I do not allegorize the Witnesses, their Enoch and Elijah to me. But I do think it’s possible their Rapture could have a connection to ours. Their being taken out of the Earth alive before are each seen as types of The Rapture after all.
The Parallels are perhaps not as many as a whole 20, but that’s because Revelation is a sort of coded book your supposed to use the rest of the the Bible to unlock, and visa versa. And I think there is more then enough connection between the Seventh Trumpet and the Last Trump to see them as connected.
Revelation 9:20 shows the Image of the Beast hasn’t been set up yet. Because the Idols these people are being judged for worshiping “neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:”. So the life like Image of the beast isn’t here yet.
Actually, Revelation 9 is a major Death nail for the Pre-Wrath position. No damned individual should be able to Ascend out of the Bottomless Pit before that is unlocked. But the Pre-Wrath position needs this to be well after the Abomination of Desolation, which can’t happen until after The beast ascends out of the Bottomless Pit. We’re told he’s ascended out of it already when he kills the Two Witnesses.
The Pre-Wrath position also insist the ministry of the Witness sis the second half, of the 70th week. But Malachi clearly says Elijah returns BEFORE the great and terrible Day of the LORD.
I’ve also decided I see Joel 2:1 as the Sixth Trumpet, what happens after it sounds has some clear parallels to what happens in Revelation 9:13 and up, with a bizarre Supernatural army of Fiery Horsemen. And 2:15 I see as the Seventh Trumpet, and the rest of Chapter 2 and into Chapter 3 as describing it’s outcome, and clear Rapture illusions exist there, the Bridegroom coming for his Bride.
I did a Google search on the subject, and it seems no one else has noticed this yet. Which surprises me. Many I’ve seen, like in J.R. Church’s book on the Minor Prophets, see Joel Chapter 2 correlating to the Fifth Trumpet, though to me that doesn’t work quite as well. I don’t like Allegorizeing the Locust of Revelation 9 into an Army, when the next Judgment is explicitly defined as an Army. To me the creatures let out of the Abyss are Demons taking temporary physical forms, like the ones they sometimes take from TransYughothian Ceremonial Magick rituals. That’s the significance of The Smoke.
But The Invading Army in Joel 2 is usually either taken as the Gog and Magog Invasion, or Armageddon. But to me it seems to be placed before The Rapture, which doesn’t fit the latter. And I’ve become convinced that the former happens after the Millennium.
It seems allot of people identifying as Pre-Wrath think a lot still happens between the Abomination of Desolation and the Rapture, enough to account for months or even years. Basically, to them the Persecution of The Church the Matthew 24 Olivite Discourse describes happening before the Abomination of Desolation, and as correlating to the Fifth Seal, actually happens after the Abomination.
Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 clears places the “Falling Away” before the Abomination of Desolation. The Falling away I view as a compromise doctrine that will happen during this period of persecution. In fact I believe the Antichrist doctrine of the First half of the 70th Week will be deny only that Jesus was the Son of God and God made Flesh. I personally believe he’ll fully view Jesus as real/historical, a Prophet and even Messiah Ben-David.
There are two coming end times Persecutions I believe. Before he midway point The Church is persecuted, and after that The Jews are who he targets. The Pre-Trib view is considered dangerous because it encourages Western Christian to feel secure that they won’t face any persecution. But teaching it won’t begin until after the Abomination of Desolation has almost the same effect. I think this persecution might even begin in some from before we’re even in the 70th Week.
Since I’ve recently reconsidered, that maybe the 70th will be Nisan-Nisan years (as I added to the Jewish Holy Days study) like the first 69 were. I’ve considered that the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet could be on the Feast of Trumpets, making all 3 theories of what the “Last Trump” refers to correct.